Thanks for your kind comments ! An image tells more than a long speech ! My advice, Stacey : try to "suggest" the shape, at first . I mean, some flaws will appear very early in the modelling process, if you're not a 3D god ! I always try to fix them little by little, this way, i won't keep them til the end . Working with a few vertices allows to adjust the shape easily . You can then add details, subdivide manually the unesthetic lines ... And control the poly count ! The final frogilla should be less than 5000 polygons with only one subdivision of the lo-poly model . That was my two cents . For the fun, i've posted a very early version of the frogilla . Don't laugh ! BTW Stacey, your troll model was really good ! litst