Well the first image was loaded in P4 and rendered in P4. The second image was loaded in P5 and rendered with the P4 renderer. I figured it best to compare apples with apples as far as renderers go. I have no clue why P4 is treating this obj differently than the 2 later versions of the program. If it helps any I created the obj in Carrara 4 as a spline for each strap and then exported as an OBJ. I've tried exporting as a 3ds and got the same results when I load/import into P4. David