Thanks for all the suggestions, scientific and otherwise, yeah this is scifi, not really going for the correct physics here, working on it with suggestions incorporated, will post when done...... as an aside, for some reason I can't get back in the zone with Bryce, don't quite know what it is, I have been working in C4D though, learning it and trying to do scenes, so far they are all crappy....but I want to still use Bryce for setups and stuff....just don't seem to know or have ideas for Bryce scenes lately....or the ones I do don't look like what's in my head, a head to hand blockage maybe......it's very disconcerting

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