yeah Shams Mortier was the Author I referred to that Wrote 2 of the 3 things I've found and Have never heard Anything but Complaints about his books I also found a Poser 3&4 Training CD's? (not by him) wondered if anyone else knew anything bout it its called MetaCreation Poser 3 and 4 Training CD by Matt Neutra or this other book Using 3D Studio MAX, Painter, and Poser by L. J. Decuir well anyways thanks for your Opinions