OK. I will try again. Last post failed badly. I want to say that my comments concerning taking Bryce seriously were NOT aimed at (in PARTICULAR) dukduk et al. I am sorry if it belittled the practical input here. You guys have provided practical hints, support and advice, and helped me stay with Bryce, for all its shortcomings as I see it. It does do animation. It does need fixing IMO. But I am still using it, and this forum has helped ne stay there. I was taking a shot at the Bryce site, as much as anything. The site does not seem to have caught up with the changes, and animation in particular. Even Tech support gave me what looked like bad info....