Actually, Fractal Designs orginated Poser. Believe it or not Poser was developed as an add on to Painter (now owned by Corel) to provide virtual manequins for import into Painter for people to draw over. The originator of Poser was frustrated with his wooded manequin and wanted to do something that would more suit his needs. It was the users that caused Poser to change directions from a Painter add on to a program for creative expression in and of itself. If you could see old Poser pictures people had done, the human figures were rather undetailed, but people used them to create surreal scenes with them. The relationship between Poser and Painter is still evident today as Poser can still generate Painter scripts. I had thought that with the advent of Poser 5 that the Poser code had been completely rewritten (and badly so I might add). Poser 5 was a total waste of money for me, I used P4PP instead of it until Poser 6 came out. I think we must give e-frontier credit, I think that P6 is a big improvement over the last version and they were more quick in coming out with bug fixes this time than with the last version.