interesting, lmckenzie. Naturally, they are coming from a "still" perspective, whereas I am an animator. However, I always render out to individual frames, and can easily run batch processes or macros, and those plugins might be of use. Also, of course, I can run batches against effects in Photoshop, etc., the first of which anyone wishing to make a b/w film is "desaturate." Thanks for the link. And thanks for the running commmentary Antonia. The conceptual application of old-school filmatic technique and look to purely digital animation is provacative. I want to learn how to achieve effects before render as well as after, if there is any hope of reducing render time as a bonus to the visual impact of going b/w. ::::: Opera :::::