oh, i wasn't thinking you were knocking anyone. and i'm not at all offended or upset or otherwise feeling negatively (in case you were thinking i was). all i'm saying is i'm observing quite the opposite. i've listened to all these people clamour for their favorite figure to be added because they want clothes that aren't available for that figure to be converted. and listened to them say they've bought things because they can now get it to fit their favorite character. the most notable being the ptg/laura fairy crew. i know personally, i've done the opposite: bought things that i wouldn't have bought if ww didn't exist because it was for a figure that wasn't even in my top 4 listing. i also know there are several items i haven't bought in the past because they didn't support the figure i was working with at the time. and not everything is bra and panties. has wusumah ever made clothes for more than an upgrade (e.g., made v3 version of a v2 figure's clothes)? and even then, isn't most of his stuff figure specific? i can't believe no one has thought sade would look good on v3, or even aiko. or maya doll. or apollo. basically, again, just on sheer numbers, how many merchants make their money on custom conversions vs. make their money off new products? again, yeah, i think that some people are scratching their "i gotta have something new" itch by converting clothes they already have. but that'll wear off. and then you'll have people buying items because they like the product, not abstaining because they don't like the figure it's made for. as for why sales are less now... it could be that people are also playing with their several new figures instead of new clothes. i mean, didn't we just have 3 or 4 in just the past month? one reason i've stayed in platinum club is the steady release of new characters by daz since about david. in the past few months we've had the project human figures, the new zygote figures, apollo, eroko, terai yuki, miki and others make splashes on the poser scene. on the additional poses sets, for the same reason people keep buying pose sets at all. well, let me look in the renderosity marketplace. v3 poses: 336 m3 poses: 178 s3 poses: 85 d3 poses: 113 aiko poses: 91 v2 poses: 120 m2 poses: 125 mill kids poses: 80 (includes luke & laura) the girl poses: 26 apollo poses: 21 anime doll poses: 8 lina: 6 so if you choose anyone but v3, you have a maximum of about 1/3 of the selection. assuming 100% overlap of the v3 products, about 2/3 of the v3 poses sell on their own, not because people need a v3 version. here's an example: do you think fewer textures sell now because of the unimesh and utc? or do more people get textures because they can work on several of their characters? how many textures come out now as v3/s3/a3? in my opinion, being able to serve both the standard and anime and fairy communities with a single product means more sales, not less. to make a specific reference, the fact that utc and dalinise's brown sugar existed didn't seem to impact the sales of the several v3 african american textures released afterward. quality still seems to rule v3 texture sales, regardless of the fact that there are already tons of the main types (caucasian and african-american) out there. i mean, why buy more textures if you already have tons of them? but people do, when they're actually quality textures. moving to clothes, vanilla seems to be doing quite well, despite the fact that jeanz for v3 already exists. if you mean that ww has a longer shelf-life as top pretty new toy taking up people's attention, yeah, i'd probably agree with that. i think that it has had more than enough help from figure creators and other utility makers, but yeah, i could see that. for a while after p6 was released, all i was seeing was p6 characters in ibl/ao renders. but do i see that as a long term effect? not in the least. and do i think an everyday clothes set for m3 would sell more because it can be converted to apollo, v3, d3 and hiro? that's where i'd place my bet. and i know that i am personally more interested in the millenium motions and expression for v3 because of the promise of puppet master. i really, really hate v3's shoulders and don't want to be confined to using her to use a product i like.