my impression was that his comment wasn't about scenery, but human figures. i'd say 90% of the poser pics out there focus on the human figure, with scenery being somewhat secondary. and frankly, even the elephant doesn't hold up to the best i've seen of firefly. somehow all the living creatures look like inanimate objects- i figure it has to do with sss or some subtle lighting quality. all i can say is, those human figure tests don't look nearly as realistic to me as the examples face_off provided or just about all of maxxxmodelz incredible gallery. none of the few pov-ray renders with any animals (of those referenced) look as good to me as the best i see in the galleries here. the scenery on the other hand... wow. how much knowledge and expertise does it take to acheive that? how much work? i first played with pov-ray ages ago, when it was all scripting. what was in the galleries was nuts good, but all i could make was really badly lit primitives surrounded by a skydome after much effort. i've touched on it a bit since then, but not much. basically, i'm curious not just how p5/p6 rendering quality compares but what quality per hours of work and level of expertise. does anyone have some renders of identical scenes and time taken to build (assuming no personally pre-built scripts unavailable to the general populace)?