Ok, I just spent 1/2 hour with Miki's knees. "Use Limits" was on. I am on Poser6, SR1 Miki1020 (purchased and downloaded this week) You CAN make the back of the knee look unnatural, but frankly, it takes some doin'. I did not achieve any massive broken mesh moments. Most of my images looked quite a bit like the one in Steve's post above, not like the trouble in my images in Post1 above. Initially, perhaps I had been too aggresive with "side to side" or "twist" applied to shin/thigh in addition to simply making the knee bend by spinning the YTrans on RightFoot. I was also grabbing the thigh and shin and dragging, perhaps not a wise idea. I thought "Use Limits" sould protect me. For the most part, the deformation looks pretty good, unless you push it. In other words, you can find trouble if you try hard enough. If you download and play my Video2 above, at the end, you will see knee flexing in motion. I did not try to push it. What do people think? Does that knee flex look too wierd? On thing I need to remember, I am looking with hawk eyes in glaring light for problems, whereas in production very much can be done to not only "not go looking for trouble" but mask it. As for that promo...Steve, probably good you are taking it down, but why not replace it with something spectacular done in Poser6 with AO, dynamic hair, etc.? Happy to know an update is on the way. Thanks for responding, Steve. ::::: Opera :::::