Thanks for the tutorial link nruddock and thanks svdl i think its a case of trying what i already have to see if they work, up to now it has been hit and miss, with more misses than hits hence the post. What is the best way to study the mesh is there a cheap program or free one that i could use. i am not a modeler just does not interest me so all the cinimas, mayas, etc are of no interest. estherau thank you for pointing me in the direction of shadownet's allinwonder and dorm set