Well, I suppose there's no rush to install it, although the plug-ins may not be free forever, but so far there's a lot of discussion on the DAZ site, and no major bugs of any kind have surfaced. 'If they've improved on Poser's magnets and IK, that would be great' Take it from me, randym, they have.... dramatically. BTW, here's a 'scrunched' cushion morph I made. Took me a few minutes with 2 DFormers. mac