Brenda Yes over the top OTT, really was referring to the harbour shot with lots of lights and the stars all over the place. I think if there are too many bright lights in the scene it can be a little over powering. (still fun though) I thought that the star size would be determined by the brightness of the light source rather than aperture etc (I was right yeeehaaaa lol) I think the more points more $$$ typical! IMO both screw in filters and the Cokin system have their pros and cons. I like the Cokin system, once you have the filter holder the filters are relatively cheap, it is an odd looking system eh? But you can change filters quite quickly and easily. Probably the most important thing about the Cokin system is that you can slide the filter up and down, that is important with a grad filter of course. If you have different size lens threads all you need is different adapter rings (much cheaper than different size screw ins On the down side you have to take it all off to put a lens cap on, or put your cam back in its bag. Yeh a graduated red might be good too, I think it may depend on what colour your sunsets are, I have noticed that where you are they seem to be more on the red side, whilst here they are very orange, must have something to do with atmospherics and geographical location?!? Never was too good on the geography lol, I know you are much further south than I am, think you must be on a par with southern Spain, here is almost in the artic circle (Brrr) lol Enough of my blurb. Happy shooting and have fun Simon

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