XCheers, I must admit I don't know much about AO, but I think GI applied to landscapes is very interesting the way e-on has sorted it out. Adds so much realism after some fiddling with the shadows. Animations, hmm, haven't bothered trying that yet, it's already pretty slow to render a still at high resolution with GI! Agree e-on should concentrate right now on the current bugs of the stand alone Vue line products before integration, which I think isn't a proof of any failure, e-on is just aware of Vue's capabilities, and is concentrating on what it does best: landscapes. Because if you want to do design, architecture and product visualization, you don't buy Vue. I'm rendering a "desing" image right now, contemporary design with GR, lots of reflections/transparency, etc... and it's way too slow for professionals.