There is/was also a PropsGuild which used to be free (a long time ago) and then I think it went to a subscription site. hmmm.. just checked and the domain name is for sale, so it seems to be gone. :sigh: That was the place to get Anton's Peacock as well as other older but still useful props. Was xurge the guy in charge? It's possible that whomever had it has changed emphasis and sites. XFX-3D has a problem with the owner and techy/administrator being in separate states and at odds with each other. More info here: http://poserpros.daz3d.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42503&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 I'm not sure when Dodger's classes end (art colleges don't have to follow the public schools), but suspect that when he gets back home, he'll be wrangling code with his bare hands to get access to his site again. Meanwhile, Traveler's PropsClub and Steve's PoserWorld are both doing exceptionally well. Both subscriptions have been among my very best purchases for quality as well as reliable updates. Carolly