I've never understood how someone can come into a poser forum and complain about the program having a make art button. Do you use it? If so you are in the same catagory as the rest of us who use poser to "make art". And if you don't use it, what are you doing here? Who cares who does what with what program as long as you are happy with the end result? I'm sick to death of all these threads slamming one product or another, just use the product you like and don't worry about the ones you don't, they will take care of themselves. Can't understand why it makes a difference to anyone except the folks selling the products and the folks using them. No matter what anyone says here in this forum, life will go on and folks will use what they want..you will not sway anyone with your views if they have made up their minds that they are going to be loyal to one product or another, so why waste time? Marque