'psst of course they did. they invented the bloody thing. ;) ' Right, khai. Point taken. But inventing something doesn't give you the automatic right to hold a monopoly on it forever. It merely puts you ahead of the competition. Aielkema, I feel sorry for you. DAZ are giving you free software so they can force you into buying things from them. The cunning devils! I seem to recall you making this point before. You remember? The poor people who are forced to spend so much money on poser content (by DAZ, of course) that they can't feed their kids. It's a pretty poor argument against accepting free software (and then not even installing it). mac