I sort of agree that some plug-ins could have been part of the base program, but there are a few other things to consider. Align Ace - It does something that poser can't do at all, so paying for it isn't so bad. PowerPose - Far superior to poser's IK, so again, you're getting your money's worth. Morph Loader - I think this could be part of the app. It's a basic function, although not everyone would use. Parameters Organizer (nor program organizer) - P6 has the same function and does exactly the same thing. But what we have to remember here is that DAZ have sunk over 2 years of development time into DS and they're giving it away for nothing. Obviously they want to get some sort of return on it. I doubt if plug-in sales will ever pay for the time spent on DS, but it's a start. Here's another thing (Pure speculation, this one). Who said the plug-ins were finished? If there are upgrades later on (presumably included in the original cost), the plug-ins become even more valuable for the price paid. All in all, I think the user gets a pretty good deal. I have poser 4, 5 and 6. I paid a total of around 800 euros for the 3 apps, and I've never even opened the animation timeline in my life. In P5/6, I've only briefly glanced at the hair/face rooms, and I never use the setup room. At least with DS, I get a choice of what to buy. mac