I walk around more then 14 years in the fractal commune Barb and i know that Apophysis and Xenodream are relative new programs . But around 2002 there where a lot of diffirent programs so as Tierazon ,Sterlingware,Fractal Explorer,FractalVizion and a lot,lot more But maybe not so much uploads with this programs can be Wondering me only over the high UF percentage That,s all Thanks for the explanation Cheers Arend