a1000. I am not in here defending my wife. Infact in some ways I do agree with you but you have struck a chord in me and I have to rant awhile. So please bear with me. IMHO, Photography had a real hard time being recognised as an art form in any way. Now, there is 'Art Photography' and there is plain old photography that has had a thousand different realms lurking in and around it since the first camera was invented. Also IMHO, if an 'Art' image is based around ie. the image above then it should be classed as 'Art Photography'. I mentioned 'Man Ray' above. If he was not an 'Art Photographer' then I don't know who was. Would 'Man Ray' have been happy with this above image had he created it? I think he would. Now we find we are in the early stages of digital photography. If I take a 'digital' photograph with my Nikon camera and transfer it to my computer. Load it into photoshop and tweak the contrast, the color balance and add an unsharp mask, maybe even make it bluetone or sepia. Is it still classed as a digital photograph? But, if I go a stage further and add some special FX filters, maybe some distortion using 'kai's Power Tools. Is it not a digital photograph any longer? Where do we actually draw this line? And is there a line to draw? If we are lucky we may see some work in this photography forum that makes us go 'WOW'. It is up to people like us to make some sort of difference. Revolutions in art are often started by small groups of people in assosiations and clubs and societies. Take the 'Pre-Raphaellites' for instance. Take 'Renderosity' and 3D art. I have no gripe whatsover with classic photography. We have seen some great examples here already. But where would we be if we choose not to push the boundries? Syyd has a different way of looking at things. She can see a photo of a child with a ball and find death, destruction, the crucifiction or Jesus and the holy mother shopping at Wegmans' on a Saturday morning...:) I say it is photography and I also say that photography is in a wide sense 2D. MAN RAY 'Photograph'... Rayograph, 1927 Just my 2 cents. Colm...