I have Cinema4D CE+ (Yes upgraded off the magazine $100.00) and have wanted to upgrade to C4D v9 but have a hard time justifying the costs associated with product as mentioned above when you break down the costs your looking at the same price as max or Maya with less features. Cinema4D works very well but falls short for integration with other products such a Poser, This is one of the most widely used programs out there and most companies have made an effort to support some type of import to accommodate it. Im not trying to take away from the quality of the software, I use it to model with and the rendering engine in CE+ is fast but radiosity and hdri is included with all the other apps out there why not include it the core? When I think of modular I think of plug-ins that expand on the core or improvements that build upon existing features to improve the work flow which some of these moduals build on not add-ons to features that should have been included. Lightwave has all the basics built in but you can buy streamline plug-ins that help improve your work flow, C4D needs to re-evaluate there core software or their going to miss out on the new artist market. I agree with pumeco, why would you buy the core software then a modual to be told you need to upgrade to another core to accommodate the modual where is the sense in that? 3D software is a white elephant you will never get back what you paid for it, there are people that make money with the software they use and can justify the cost of upgrading but there are many more of us who are just hobbyist and buy it for enjoyment why not an entry level package like Avid did with Softimage? Sorry if this sounds like a rant its not meant to be, I like my version of Cinema4D I use it every day but when it came time to upgrade I bought Carrara 4 Pro, Vue 5 I , Poser 6 and a bunch of plug-ins which gives me more feature then the core software and as many features if not more then the studio bundle. I dont have a problem spending money on software I do have a problem throwing money away. P.S. I have Corel Bryce 5 and have used Bryce since v3 I love the software, it will always be in my tool chest and look forward to see what Daz does with it. Long live Bryce.