"I would just yell SHURRUP at the kids." Umm - might work in some situations, but not if you're in a dramatic novel, where you're trying to creep up on some guards..:-) Cheers, Diolma (who has no idea why Sivana want's this pose)... BTW, Sivana, geep's suggestion is a good one. That'll pose the hand. I'd suggest that then you use the dials to get the hand somewhere near the lips, then rotate/bend as appropriate to get nearer, then turn on IK for the hand and move it into final position. Might take several tries... Be warned (if you don't know already), the stock poser hand poses don't always work very well on figures not provided with Poser.. - you may have to tweak afterwards.. (or even totally ignore and do it manually). Cheers, Diolma