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Mocca isn't really that bad, there is just about zero info on making good rigs in C4D.But this is changing, the main problem has been a lack of character animators in C4D(there are ALOT of motion graphics artists though!).There are maybe 3-5 very good character animators in cinema, and the one you can talk with on a regular basis over the internet(and get help) is from Cactus Dan.He also has made a very good CA tool set(a few plugins that are for sale at his site).With CD's help, I have actually gotten a very good character rig set up, with only the basic bones and one free plugin called "multi-target" to get rid of bone fliping or other things that can hinder in character animation.There is also another forum called www.c4dcafe.com that is focused on animation almost exclusively( I am there more than any other forum as well).So, join in and have some fun.BTW rel 8.5 is very,very capable.The only function that rel 9 has that is worthwhile is clothilde...but now im rambling.

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