Yeah that demo is awesome. Though from playing with VUE Infinite I wasn't that impressed, essentially the ecosystem tool they rave so much about is just a replication tool. Whoopdeedoo! Still a good program though. The solidgrowth is what I like, though the quality of the plants are not quite what I expected. And I was somewhat disappointed. Much better then Carrara's plant modeler though. "How faster does Shade render compared to Carrara? Carrara is showing its age by its slow render times. Vue 5 Infinite renders my GI scenes much faster than Carrara." Really? When I demoed it, the rendering speed didn't seem that different. "I'm personally looking forward to Carrara 5. I'm hoping they've taken some of the public requests to heart. " I am too. I've been pleasantly surprised with each new release of Carrara. People forget that Carrara was gone for a few years from development and the fact they are pretty much on par with a lot of the features available in other programs in there price range is amazing.