Radiosity is what I meant. I saw a sample of beautifull Global Ilumination at http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue5easel/index.php?Page=4 per Wolf359's post a few down from here. It gott me wondering if it was some how possible to btain this look without using a huge 40 light set or Ambient Occlusion. I need to check out how few lights can work for a "light ball", I have done course work with six above and six below but it was not enough. The RDNARuntime sets kill my machine. Is there a "cheap" way to use standard lights with IBL to fake the AO? Could you explain High Dynamic Range Image lighting? Thanks, maxxxmodelz