i will try that thanks for all of the help, that was a simplistic version of what i need. what i am really doing is showing a baby being born. i am modelling the womb in max and using the poser baby and the default posette as the mother, with a bit of tweaking of course. and i am animating it in poser and using maximum pose to get it back into max and rendering it Stereoscopically so it can be viewed in Stereo using the VRex Glasses. thank you for all the help