Trav, That is great. Makes me wonder what you are cooking up in your private lab... I certainly would apreciate you giving me that in whatever state it is in... it is very elegent! That is nice detail in the mesh and understanding how cloth drapes. That would look good both as jeans and an oxford shirt or as PVC or leather. Very nice. Just right for me... The image you have in the gallery looks like those pants more or less and your own T-shirt. That image is right along the lines of what I am up to... just I float in white space with maybe some setting props like an old pin-up.