Thank You tresamie for making it clearer to me - just wanted to be sure I understood it right :) Deagol .. yes I do like this thread and do think I learn a lot from it too :) It is so interesting to exchange opinions and ideas. I do find APOflames very interesting and I agree totally with Carol ..you have to give them more than a glance to really appreciate them and get into the details in them. And we all know most people do not really have the patience :) .. Even in the other fractals .. I find you need a closer look too .. and give it time .. to really see what is in front of you. So that is why the commenting does take time. Adding layers .. yes that does go into more creativity and more work for each one you add. LOL but often I sit there with 7-8 layers .. and in the end the one I upload has only 2. Too many layers can give a "dirty" or too dark look - at least for my taste. Hugss zoozee :)