Warpo, You are assuming someone has heard about Poser in the past, and is simply purchasing it, after comparing it to the competition. As for novice users, you forget people who see the box on a store shelf, or someone who purchases it as a gift for someone else. I actually recieved Poser from someone else when I started. I saw the box, and was wowed by the image. So was I a moron for believing that the product was capable of doing that sort of imagery "out of the box?" Under your terms, it would appear so. However, I don't see purchasing Poser in the same light as purchasing a car. When I first tried Poser, I had no idea there was a demo available, and even if I did, it was purchased for me, by someone who no clue about CGI at all. You cannot assume every person has the same level of knowledge as you. If it weren't for the old Curious Labs website, I would never have even heard of Renderosity. Ah well, enough ranting. Maybe now you see the point. If not, ah well, I tried.