Right. No. Here is the deal. Poser owns the lion's share of character modelling. You make virtual people. You buy virtual clothes for these virtual people. You buy stupid and dubiously sexual toys for virtual people. You spend money playing virtual barbie dress-up. Which is fine, if you think that it's a solution to placing characters into a 3D scene. DAZ does 3D content, fine. D|S was a mistake for them, whatever. They went even further in purchasing Bryce and thinking that the time tested hobbyist app will help them cash in. As in: Want a temple, get a vickie with a sword while you're at it. For now, they're not doing great, integrating D|S into Bryce is the sound and logical path, if two wrongs make a right. They're playing dice with our patience and our money. Again, fine, if Bryce 6 is worth the wait. There's no hidden real sting for vue or whatever. they're two apps being taken into two completely different directions. You can't call Vue5 Infinite a hobbyist market tool. All we can hope for is for this decade-old software to finally grow some balls, i.e. GI, HDRI, some realistic presets, better material lab and better tree lab, perhaps even innovate. And if all Poser and D|S wankers who neve did a render in their lives for the sake of 3D could be shot, I'd be happy too, but that's not gonna happen either, so.. Thanks, drac