My coworker asked me to please put eyes in, as he was watching Event Horizon last night. Seriously, I found the stuff litst posted really helpful. I think it would make a great tutorial (hint, hint, O Powers That Be). I bet if you try to duplicate the stuff at the link I posted, you'd have the same epiphany I did. I don't know how litst went about it, but I started with a block. Then, to add the vertices, I'd select one edge at a time and subdivide it. I get confused when there are a lot of vertices. So adding them one at a time was a big help to me, it broke the things I needed to do into smaller units. Other folks might find this a tedious way to go about things. I could probably post a step-by-step if anyone is interested, but it'd kinda be a case of the blind leading the blind. --Terri