cutcopypaste - I dunno, it just seems to me that Carrara has a really steep learning curve. I guess I'm just used to Bryce and I'm having a hard time adapting to Carrara, kinda sux because I want to be able to do everything NOW! Oh well, guess you gotta learn how to use the software...just wish you could upload your ideas to your computer directly from your head...hmmmmmmm...well, maybe someday! rockjockjared P.S. Nice sub NAZGUL!