rockjockjare I know how you feel. It is difficult to comprehend untill you see someone working within tne modeler in real-time. The RDS 5.5 CD came with some nice quicktime tutorials for the modelers. I find the Spline Modeler to be easier to work with, you may try that for awhile then go back to the Mesh Modeler. NAZGUL- Super model! Did you create an interior as well?