I have had renderings take up to six days at the default size in the Bryce 4 demo, that was on a Amd k6-2 500 with 64 meg of ram with a S3 trio 64 with 2mb video card on Win 95b. I have upgraded to 128meg and a 4meg 3d acelerator card. This improved renderings a bit but not enough. Renderings still takes hours for very simple scenes or days for more complex scenes. What sould be done is comparisons of different setups running the different versions of Bryce using the same scene file to give poeple an idea of what sort of system to aim for. Truspace 3se crashes on startup with the new video car (Aopen PT80 with SIS 6326 agp drivers) They had only 1 update driver that didn't make a difference. Using Nortons Crashguard to revive and continue Truspace 3se. Some of my early work using Truspace 2 & 3SE to make opjects and then Bryce 3D to render the scenes. http://communities.ninemsn.com.au/GalacticGraphics/homepage