nomuse, your right about scaling and it's the way I usually work for new models (I don't scale morphs). It just bugs me that Carrara Vertex room was able to handle Poser stuff at it's native scale up until C3, but this problem cropped up in C4. Another thing I'm noticing in C5 (Which I got today!) is that in the vertex room, some times the textured preveiw doesn't show the textured colors. Anyone else noticed anything like this? I'd like to confirm it's not just my machine before reporting it. mike