Very nice ringo...can't wait to see. I actually just got a sealed box of vue that I am debating over selling...their upgrade path and very controlling sw policies are so screwy I really didn't want to fool with them and I got it because of the replication and plant related issues lacking in carrara. Other than panoramic...I don't know that c5pro isn't going to be better at landscapes that is why I was asking about the plant editor. I think carrara renders skin better.

No need to think outside the box....
    Just make it invisible.