Thanks Tracey, don't know what I'd do without you! I have just started back using the f version, it seems to work ok, but on a couple of my fav scripts, it doesn't seem to render batch quiet the same as i. Maybe I was just so frustrated with the other one that I must be hallucinating. Glad you told me about the bugs being worked out! I hope that they fix them soon, I do like some of the new changes a lot. Hope you have a really scarey Halloween!!!! BQQ Patti