Just to make MY statement... I've been playing with the C5 beta for the last 2 days and I think it ROCKS! The windows version seems to have a very few bugs and they are minor and the added tools make it much easier for me to use. I especial like the small tool that allows all edges to be creased or smoothed. This one small toll is about as handy as you can get! GWeb... I happen to resent that you think you can speak for "any of us" or "we"! Speak for yourself, but don't try to sound like you're the voice of all Carrara users just cause you can't get your "pet tool" in the program. I've heard this broken record for a year now and think it's time to stop. Your posts here, not to mention in other software forums, are constantly negative, well so be it, that's your right, but it's not your right to sound as if you speak for all of us. I didn't elect you to that positions and would like you to stop. mike