Hear-hear Mike! I agree GWeb. Stop bothering the rest of us with your attitude. (Off my soapbox.) Now... regarding the stability of C5 Beta... I'm on a windoze xp laptop, and was running a 'particles bouncing off a terrain' (yeah! particles reacting to other objects and a 'gravity' force!! :D ) render as I also was cruzing the net last night. A website tried to load a popup, my browser countered, both lost and the program crashed taking the desktop down with it! (Explorer, not Internet Explorer, but the program we all see as the desktop) As the machine re-booted Explorer (for all essential purposes looking like my whole machine had re-booted...) Carrara was still rendering and finished with this picture. (Not the greatest, but they ARE interacting with the terrain and gravity) Now THAT'S stability! :D