small example of the particle generator ...having WAYYYY TOO MUCH FUN! no one in their right mind would have attempted this (never said I was in my right mind..heh) ..but just for the heck of it I tried it. The model is a 50000 poly model made in Amapi of a p41 fighter...there are over 50000 of these in the entire scene..but from this view there is only a portion visible. all created with NO keyframes, one plane and one particle generator. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Carrara/files/test1.jpg it took a while to calculate, but not so long to render once calculated. anyhow, the possibilities are pretty much endless...parenting particle generators could allow you to fire a lot of missiles from one simple animation...so thatd be 1 plane, 1 missile and 2 particle generators. Imagine making a particle generator a child of the missile to generate sparks, smoke, or whatever. as I said... endless... :) BT