I'll chime in here in favor of the Freeform/spline modeler. I have the same prob as litst but with the vertex modeler: suddenly my points seem to multiply, and everything's out of control. Like Chip and RJJared, it's a monster I want to tackle, but it seems like now I want to create more complex models, rather than go "backwards" to start at square one. But, one must continue to learn and all that cliched stuff.