petshoo...there are several plugins. One was for true fresnel the other fake fresnel.When the demo comes out you may want to try it, unless sss was your only interest. There is a lot of info not clear on what it really has or plans to have, yet. If you had to buy vue 5 infinite or c5pro full retail...It would be close they are both very on par...some features in vue not in c5pro or the reverse. Baking and radiosity for example...don't appear to be in c5pro. But Vue5 has poor modeling. Other things also. However, vue is probably due an update...not too long. Eovia has less confusing more affordable upgrade options and lets you update from 2 versions back at least. E-on does not give much of a break for upgrading unless you go infinite to infinite. If you miss a year...your history. I don't like that kind of attitude makes it TOO much all about the money...way too much of that going around on planet earth. If you spend that kind of money on a product...you should be remembered.

Message edited on: 10/29/2005 18:40

No need to think outside the box....
    Just make it invisible.