All Hotel Bates needs is a dead hooker under the bed and roaches in the shower :) Filthy (and Stinky coming tomorrow) are basically characters of the Ringmaster, except that you don't need the Ringmaster to use Filthy and Stinky...the Ringmaster OBJ and the Cr2 is included. The Cr2s are basically the same, same JPs and morphs, just different texture refs. Tomorrow Santini will be coming out and he is based off of the Ringmaster, but has a resculpted obj of the Ringmaster, same morphs (one extra) same UVs, the JPs are differently...again a stand-alone figure. I will get a couple of shots out in a minute. I have some texture templates and a Dev-Rig for clothing creation that I will be getting out tomorrow also. --Rebekah--