I rarely use either. I prefer Eve over all of the other female meshes. This is personal preference, there's good and bad to everything. I especially wouldn't buy Vickie now since Millie (a tweaked and remapped Vickie) is no longer available free. (You can get a new Millie with Saluda, a fine model, but you have to pay for it). Mike has all sorts of issues. I just use the Poser dork and morph the hell out of his face. !!!!YMMV!!!! --scharmers