another thought...I think that most of my problems with Carrara come from never working with a modeling program. I'm used to the nice cushy interface of Bryce...plus the fact that I've been using Bryce since v2. But for some reason or another I decided that I wanted to learn this modeling thing and went out and bought Carrara (figured "It's Metacreations, I know them!") While some of it is similar...the modeling thing is still kinda forgien to me; however, I do like the spline and meatball modelers...I just want to be able to do more than what I feel they can do.