Ghostofmacbeth, I know what you mean. I saw the promo image for a new Barbarian type outfit on Daz, and I cringed at the muscle morphs on M3. They didn't use to bother me until I saw muscles done better. Now I cringe. If don't know if you have them already, Khrys' muscle morphs for M3 do wonders, as do Capsces' Brom morphs. I used UMT (Universal Morph Tranfer) to take David morphs to M3, but I'm finding I like Hiro's morphs even more! That's why I've been working on a Hiro/M3 crossover. He's more trim muscluar than the bulky muscluar like David, Apollo, M2, and Freak. bB