and i, personally, was taking fls13's lead and making an analogy. no one accused you of being racist. the point is that hopping into a thread asking for something general in style (like muscular females or older females or ethnic characters or goth girls, whatever) with "that's ugly, and here's a link to prove it" and linking to a rather egregious and extreme example, almost a caracture, and skipping over all the examples that are less extreme, is an insult to those who have managed to fit the request (whatever it is) and be beautiful. as i mentioned, you were the only one who even brought up body building, let alone "amenorrhea inducing extremes," as someone else put it. and if you aren't interested in muscular characters (no one specified much on how muscular, frankly my about 60 year old dad has veins that show on his forearms and hands, has since i was little, and he doesn't even lift weights), why did you click on this thread? and even if you just wanted to weigh in as not being interested (making this a poll), why link to a picture of someone with almost entirely masculine features? i must admit, this comes off as hating to me, too. oh, and i can't find any m3 vascular maps in the marketplace. does anyone know of any? unzipped: have you looked at the blacksmith 3d morphing utility? i only ask because i've been interested in it (trekkiegrrl likes it, and it's info says it auto generates the new cr2). it's not bargain basement, but not too exorbinant either.