I have Bryce and Vue. I haven't really messed with Bryce much, or Vue for that matter but the Vue 3.1 seems to render a lot faster. I think there is a use for both. I think the cost of the Computer Arts magazine, (I just got mine this week, I live in California) is worth it just for the free version of Vue 2.1 Issue 01 of 3D World at www.3dworld.com has a free copy of Bryce 3D, you might be able to order it as a back issue. The url for Computer Arts is www.computerarts.co.uk Marque