Sorry, but I think they wouldnt stand a chance. EK, this is exactly the "tough talking" Im speaking of. Got any evidence to back it up ? Just because Sixus caved in to avoid a mud slinging doesnt mean they DAZ would have been able to convince a judge. As I said, how will you proof that I didnt come up with the JPs by myself ? (Or just copying them from Steph I MAX which is still freely available ? ) Whats next ? I learned that Anton Kisiel doesnt allow to distribute ApolloMax actual mesh in any shape or form, NOT EVEN ENCODED. This of course makes creating and distributing any hybrids or remapps based on ApolloMax impossible. What if DAZ and e-frontier suddenly decide that this is a great idea, and change their EULAs ? This would make Netherworks, AprilYSH, Nacissus, mine, and other works suddenly illegal ? Those who sit in glasshouses should be carefull throwing stones. Alot in Poserdom is possible because its under the radar or just not worthwhile to make a big fuzz of it. stahlratte