i may actually start with the fantasy pack tammy :) it would be the easiest i think...then the dress pack 1, and from there, we'll see :) thanks for all the ideas everyone :) nfredman, i checked out that link (thanks btw) and i would have to say that i'll have to build up to goth... it's nice, but i have to get used to vickie's jp's first. the widow's veil is a possibility, though probably not as a conforming figure. the formal wear is on my list too rtamesis :) but it'll be a while for it .